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Welcome to the never-ending road well-travelled! Latcho Drom! (Safe Journey) Roma, or Gypsies, were in the Americas along with the very earliest settlers, and have retained their traditions for a millennium. There are written records of the Portuguese "dumping" Gypsies in South America, and legends of them doing the same at what is now Port Royal, SC, long before the English came. Gypsies originated in India, migrating to, and through, Europe in the Middle Ages. We here provide a gathering place of Gypsies in all of the Americas, and for those of us with known or suspected blood connections. We welcome oral tradition! We welcome submissions from all of the Americas.
Many of us have known or suspected bloodlines from Gypsies (Roma), and Romanichals (who are Roma as well). Often these are stated within our families as being (American) "Indian," probably because these are thought more "acceptable." Mostly because of past persecutions, which still occur, despite that fact that they are nearly everywhere, Roma prefer to remain anonymous and unrecognized, except to each other. They are your unsuspected neighbors. They are an unknown proud minority. These circumstances make it difficult for those with bloodlines to obtain information on their elusive ancestors. I shall try to keep this web site useful for Roma and non-Roma with known or suspected bloodlines.
Roma, or Gypsies as they are often called by non-Roma, have clear origins in India, early characterized by Europeans with dark skin and black hair. A thousand years of co-existence in Europe has resulted in some integration and today Roma may be found in all sizes, and with all shades of skin and hair. The Patrin web site (off site), is based in Europe, and has excellent basic information.
Many Gypsies do not send their children to school, or only for a few years, for fear of losing their culture (Well, can you really blame them? Do we Gadjo actually have any culture anymore in the USA? Our "culture" seems to be vulgarity and materialism.). The few who do attend school are sworn to secrecy. This means that many Gypsies do not write well. Do not think ill of them for this. To my knowledge, only the Jews incorporated a strong ecclesiastical education element into their culture.
I reworded these pages as "Roma," which is more correct, but the majority of hits of the pages from search engines were for the words "American Gypsy," so I have changed them back. Sigh. The Geocities server reports search engine hits with the words used to find the page. Fear not. It only tells me how you arrived, nothing else, nor am I interested, except to make these pages more accessible.
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ROMA. There are about 20,000 Romani Americans (Roma) in Texas, out of a national population of about one million. Romani people, commonly known as Gypsies, have been in the Americas since 1498, when Columbus brought some on his third voyage to the West Indies. Their subsequent forced transportation brought most Gypsies across the Atlantic. To understand why Gypsies were shipped to the American colonies, it is necessary first of all to examine the circumstances of their presence in Europe. They arrived in the Balkans from India in the middle of the thirteenth century because of the spread of Islam into the Byzantine Empire; the ancestors of the Gypsies had in fact left India in the first place during the first quarter of the eleventh century as troops resisting Islamic incursions. Gypsies were at first associated with the Muslim threat. Being non-white, having no country, alien in language, dress and religion, they were quickly and easily targeted as scapegoats. Nevertheless their artisan skills, particularly in metalworking, made them indispensable to the Balkan economy; as they started to move away from southeastern Europe to escape the increasingly rigorous demands upon them, legislation began to be put into effect making them the property of their employers. By the early fourteenth century, they had become slaves in Moldavia and Wallachia (present-day Romania). Slavery was not fully abolished there until 1864, after which date an ongoing migration out of the area to America and elsewhere began. Gypsies originating in this part of Europe are known collectively as Vlax (x as ch in German Achtung), and are divided into a number of distinct groups, depending upon their occupational or regional background in the Balkans. The two biggest groups in Texas (as well as in the rest of the country) are the Kalderasha and the Machwaya, who have been in the United States for about a century. Those who moved on into the rest of Europe had reached all of the countries in the North and the West by A.D. 1500. There, strict laws came into effect rooted in fear of the foreign intruders; Gypsies were the first people of color to come into Europe in large numbers-their descendants there today number about eight million. Having no country of their own, denied access to housing and schooling, they were in every sense outsiders, a fact that is having serious consequences today.
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